Showing posts with label Daytona. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Daytona. Show all posts

Monday, 25 October 2010

A Change is coming to the Grand Touring Blog


Regular readers may (or may not) have noticed a reduction in activity to the blog over the last couple of months. This has not been due to laziness or lack of interest on my part, far from it. In actual fact I have been working behind the scenes on a new project which will see lead to a new home for Grand Touring.

Rather than be a stand alone blog, Grand Touring will form part of a new enthusiast driven website, that is being created by a bunch of like minded petrol-heads, aiming to bring something different and a breath of fresh air to the crowded world of automotive blogs and websites.

As you would expect the Daytona will continue to be featured only now it will have it's own section. The fine autumnal weather yesterday was the perfect opportunity to take the red beast one last drive before winter (and the resultant salted roads) sets in, more on this in due course including some video footage (if any that I shot yesterday turns out to be usable.

Check back here for updates on the new site as more details will be revealed in the next few weeks.

Sunday, 10 October 2010

New Favourite Ferrari Daytona Competizione photograph





A random troll through the internet turned up this wonderful shot of a Ferrari 365GTB/4 Daytona Competizione getting rather sideways at Spa.


The photograph was taken by Dirk De Jager who having contacted through the wonders of Facebook has kindly allowed me to post it here.


Dirk describes the photo, "it's the previous style busstop chicane at Spa, that's when they had already ruined it a bit but it was still fun this must be from inbetween 2004-2006 or so."


I'm not sure who the driver is but as I have read (notably by Journalist and racing driver Mark Hales) that a Daytona is only good for about 5% slip angle before the weight of the rear transaxle gearbox is likely to snap the car into a spin, this must have taken some doing.


I've only ever had the back end of my Daytona step out on me once, coming out of a damp hairpin bend in France when I was slightly too keen with the throttle. The slip angle wasn't that great but judging from the expletives from my passenger and I, it's not something I want to repeat in a hurry.


My thank's to Dirk for letting me post the shot.

Monday, 20 September 2010

Ferrari Daytona (Very) Long term test Update 8 - Goodwood Revival

If you're at all interested in classic cars it will not have escaped your notice that it was the Goodwood Revival meeting this past weekend,  it was also the perfect opportunity to stretch the Daytona's legs on the country roads down to Goodwood.

I've not used the Daytona much since the Le Mans Classic mainly due to work and trips overseas, and I was suffering from withdrawal symptoms. The lack of use did mean a slight reluctance to start first thing on a surprisingly chilly morning, the fuel pumps and carbs taking their time to provide enough fuel to fire the twelve pots. 

Saturday, 31 July 2010

Gooding & Co at Monterey



Following my picks from the Monterey auction here are my three picks from Gooding & Co's auction.

The first pick is also the star car of the Auction. The Ferrari 250SWB "SEFAC" Hot Rod. The SEFAC's were the ultimate development of the SWB with ultra lightweight bodies and more powerful engines. This example has a cast iron and Ferrari certified history, and took 3rd place overall in the 1961 Tour de France. The sale concides with a special display of the SEFAC hot rods at this years Pebble Beach concours to celebrate 50 years of the SWB. The estimate is $6-8 million which seems a little optimistic to me for a SWB even for one as good as this although it only takes two people to create a market.

Sunday, 18 July 2010

The Daytona gets a clean and the Grifo gets deconstructed



























The Griffin (which Grifo is in Italian) is the mythical creature which ate horses. As you can see from the pictures, it will be some time before the this Grifo is ready to take on the Prancing Horses of Ferrari.

Sunday, 4 July 2010

Ferrari Daytona (Very) Long Term Test report Update 7 Preparing for the Le Mans Classic



Today was spent preparing the Daytona for the trip to the Le Mans Classic Thursday. Since the last report a few small adjustments have been made. The timing has been lowered as the car was ticking over at some 1100 rpm. More importantly the Spark plugs have been swapped for some iridium tipped items.  A short (40 mile) test drive showed a marked improvement in throttle response especially in the mid range. 

Taking a classic Ferrari abroad requires a little more planning as if anything goes wrong you can't rely on the local garage to have the parts in stock. The boot is chocked full of potential consumables such as fan belts that hopefully won't fail. As its a trip with the boys I'm sure sartorial elegance with not be required but in this case the luggage will have to live on the rear parcel shelf.

Depending on the availability of Wi-fi at the hotels we will be stopping at I'll post some pics and reports from the event.  We leave on Thursday

Saturday, 19 June 2010

Ferrari Daytona (Very) Long Term Test report Update 6 Fathers Day

As I'm writing this it will be Fathers day tomorrow. Anyone who looks at www.Jalopnik.com regularly will have seen the features that have run on Dad's and their cars that have inspired you to become a petrolhead.

My fascination with cars and the Ferrari Daytona in particular absolutely comes from my Dad. Like me he is a massive petrolhead and I've actually lost count of the cars that he has owned in my lifetime (it's somewhere over 70 cars). 

Sunday, 13 June 2010

Picture of the Day Cliveden House


As I mentioned on the Grand Touring Facebook page, I went with the Daytona to Cliveden House in Berkshire for a Ferrari and Lamborghini meet today.  Not particularly sure why it was chosen but the Daytona was put to the center of the display at the front of the house. I took this camera phone picture of it there. I'll post some more pictures and a brief report tomorrow.

Sunday, 6 June 2010

Ferrari Daytona (Very) Long Term Test report Update 5 Supercar Sunday


My wonderful FiancĂ©e reckons that the Daytona is her only rival for my affections. Well that's not true as no car can replace my fantastic lady (I'll now find out if she reads the blog). It is true though that the Daytona does hold a special place in my heart and I can't imagine ever selling it.




Sunday, 9 May 2010

Ferrari Daytona (Very) Long Term Test report Update 4



After a longish gap in reports on the Daytona here's the second one in two weeks (you can tell the UK "summer" is upon us).


This morning the Daytona was pressed into service for a rather nice country drive to go and view a potential second Ferrari to fill up the garage. I'm not going to say too much about that car other than it was a 308GTB Carburettor and that I have put an offer in on it. I'll blog about it separately when I know the outcome of the offer.


Back to the Daytona, and following the winter service, is continuing to run rather well. As always it's the ideal companion for a Sunday morning drive, and weirdly I don't begrudge paying 126p per litre for Shell V-power unleaded to feed the large appetite for fuel. A couple of issues have cropped up though. The car is ticking over rather fast at present idling at some 1200 rpm when warm. With six carbs to fiddle with to it's an adjustment nest left to my mechanic. Also the clutch is picking up rather late in the travel, hopefully it is just an adjustment required as the clutch itself doesn't seem to be slipping. 

Sunday, 25 April 2010

Ferrari Daytona (Very) Long Term Test report Update 3



After two very stressful weeks in India with work, the opportunity to excise the Daytona came as very welcome relief.

Wednesday, 31 March 2010

Group IV Daytona at RM Monaco Auction


RM Auctions will hold their first auction in Monaco on the 1st of May to coincide with the Historic Grand Prix  the same weekend. The catalogue is extensive with a large collection of Rolls Royces and several significant Ferraris including a 400SA Cabriolet SWB, a LWB 250 California (currently owned by Chris Evans) and a 250SWB.

Not amongst the feature lots a Ferrari Daytona built to Group IV racing specifications caught my eye (can't think why).  Not one of the 15 original Competitzione cars the catalogue indicates this was coverted in period to competition specifications and has some competition history.  More recently the car has competed in the now sadly defunct Shell Ferrari Historic Challenge.

The catalogue estimates a price of between €420,000 and €480,000  and while current exchange rate fluctuations mean that where you live will have a baring in whether you think this is good value, it is safe to assume that this is considerably less than you would pay for an equivalent factory car, and would be huge fun at a non noise restricted track day.



Thursday, 11 March 2010

Ferraris at the Amelia Island RM auction

RM auctions have released two videos on You tube of two of the Ferraris scheduled to go under the hammer this Saturday.


The first shows the Ferrari 365GTB/4 Daytona Spyder one of the 121 factory original cars and once owned be Edsel Ford. The car comes with Ferrari Classiche programme certification (which may or may not increase its value). Like all US spec Spyders the car is stamped as a GTB4 rather than a GTS4 possibly to circumvent type approval regulations at the time.

Sunday, 7 March 2010

Ferrari Daytona (Very) Long Term Test report update 2 2010


8:30 on a Sunday morning and the outside temprature gauge on the Alfa read -3C as I drew up outside the lair where the Daytona slumbers. Probably not the best time to be thinking about driving a 36 year old Ferrari that doesn't normally venture out unless the outside temprature is well into double figures. However there was not a cloud in the sky and the roads were dry and Goodwood were holding th first of there Sunday Breakfast clubs this time for pre 1973 tax exempt cars (the more attentive readers might recall that my Daytona is actually a 1973 car but hey close enough).

Friday, 12 February 2010

Ferrari Daytona (Very) Long Term test report Update 1 2010

From Goodwood italian breakfast

I'm going to try and post some regular updates this year on life with the Daytona. Trouble is at the moment there is not to much to report.


As mentioned in my Chirstmas post the car received a service and oil change. The oil leak was also cured. One item still outstanding is to tune the Six Weber DCN 21 Carbs. This really needs some warmer weather than the UK is currently experiencing.

Saturday, 26 December 2009

Merry Christmas



 I'm actually away on holiday in the States at the moment but will I have been away the Daytona has received the service that I mentioned in the 2009 long term test update. The oil leak has hopefully been cured as well. Fortunately it was coming from the front of the engine so the engine did not have to be removed to fix it.


While I am thoroughly enjoying my holiday I am looking forward to driving the car again when I get back home, just as soon as the road salting gods will let me.

By the way if anyone was wondering why Ferrari based articles on this blog are in a purple font, it is because Enzo Ferrari always wrote using purple ink

Wishing all the readers of this blog a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New year.

Sunday, 15 November 2009

New Favourite Ferrari photo



This is my new favourite Ferrari picture. It was originally posted on Ferrarichat on this link http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262176

 
I'm not sure if there is any copyright on this but if there is please let me know and I'll either remove or give appropriate credit as required.

Saturday, 24 October 2009

Daytona and California Classic Cars vs Modern Supercars


From foc concours
There is an interesting thread currently on the Vintage section of Ferrarichat, debating the appeal of the older classic cars such as the 250 and the Daytona compared with the modern models. At current market prices a Daytona is probably worth around the same as a new California or a year old 599, so surely most people in there right mind would buy the modern car?

Wednesday, 7 October 2009

Daytona (Very) Long Term test report 2009 review

The nights are drawing as we head enxorably towards winter and Christmas. This also means that the highways agencies will dump several million tonnes of salt onto the British roads which is not great for preserving a thirty six year old Ferrari Daytona, and kind of creates an enforced winter hibernation for the car.

From Goodwood italian breakfast


Monday, 31 August 2009

The Daytona and its rivals




Over the years the comparison the Ferrari Daytona and the Lamborghini Miura has been a popular one in motoring magazines around the world, but is it a fair comparison, would the prospective buyer when new have had both cars on his or her list of possible purchases?


Well both were produced at the same time, the Miura predating the Daytona by a year, and both have simliar performance on paper but that is where the similarities end. Obviously the Miura is a mid engined car and coined the phrase supercar, while the Daytona is very much a front engined GT in the more traditional style. The layout of the Miura results in a very cramped and awkward driving position, I sat in one for the first time last year and I have to say I'm not sure I could drive one for more that a few miles without considerable discomfort caused by the splayed legs required to clear the steering wheel together with the narrow offset pedals. The Daytona on the other hand has (for me anyway) a very comfortable driving position and I'm more than happy to be in the car for four to six hours in a day with only heat build up and the fuel consumption needs of both car and driver necessitating breaks.


On a more practical note while neither car is exactly in it's element doing trips to Tescos these days, the Daytona was everyday usable in fact for the first three years of my Dad's ownership of my car (he brought it in 1975) he used it everyday as his company car and racked up over 40,000 miles in it. I can't imagine any Miuras doing anything similar (although I'm sure there would be great story from anyone who did). The boot is more than adequate for a few days away blasting across Europe and as I can personally confirm in the days before health and safety the rear parcel shelf could be used for seating small children, if not entirely comfortably!! The Miura on the other hand does not even have a boot.

The other major difference between the two cars when new was price - the Miura cost approximately 10-20% more than the Daytona when new (when today's 599 and Murcielago have very similar price tags). As both cars were massively expensive when new (both were more than double the price of a Porsche 911), I suspect the price difference was not decisive but surely would have been a factor for perpective buyers.


From Blogger Pictures


All the above probably explain why the Daytona outsold the Miura by a factor of nearly 2-1 (although that figure does include Daytona Spyders which had no equivalent Miura).

So if the Miura is not the Daytona's best comparison what is? The obvious candidate is the Maserati Ghibli. Again this predates the Daytona by a couple of years and unlike the Miura offered a similar configuration to the persepctive buyer except for using a 4.7 liter (later 4.9) v8 rather than the Daytona's 4.4 V12.


From Blogger Pictures


Maserati is one of the few manufacturers that can match Ferrari for heritage (arguably a greater heritage over a longer period if not the ultimate levels of sucess that Ferrari had achived both then and now). Both cars can claim engines related to racing experience.

The Ghibli seems to have been pitched to the market as a more touring orientated car than the Daytona, it was offered with both automatic transmission and power steering, neither of which were offered on the Daytona (although many Daytonas including mine have been retrofitted with power steering). The suspension on paper is a lot cruder than the Daytona with a Salisbury live axle and leaf springs compared to the Daytona's double wishbones alround. The Daytona is also more powerful 352bhp vs 335 for the Ghibli 4.9SS, and the Daytona has a higher top speed 174mph vs 165mph for the Ghibli.

Both cars offered a spyder version and in my opinion the decapitation of the Ghibli created a more attractive car than the Daytona Spyder (I've always been a Berlinetta man).
The Ghibli and the Daytona were simllarly priced (the Ghibli being slightly cheaper) sold in similar numbers (although the Ghibli's production run was slightly longer than the Daytona's), so from a market point of view neither can be said to be dominant.

Moving further afield from Italy the perspective buyer in 1968 would probably be have considered an Aston Martin DBS (in actual fact Dad owned two DBS Vantage's before the Daytona). Like the Ghibli the Aston is a touring orientated car and would need the V8 engine available from 1969 to come close to matching the Daytona's performance. (The later V8 Vantage would match the Daytona but did not become available until long after the Daytona had been replaced by the Boxer). Price wise the Aston was a lot cheaper than the Daytona in the UK but conversely punative taxes in Italy would have made the Aston a lot more expensive there.
So far then the Miura can match the Daytona's performance but has a completely different character, and the Ghibli and the Aston DBS are broadly similar in character but can't match the Daytona's performance.

One car that probably could was the Iso Grifo. The Grifo had a much longer production life than the Daytona spanning 10 years from 1963 to 1974, and was made in a two series, open headlighted series 1 and closed series 2. Rather than develop an exotic multi cam engine, Iso brought in reliable American V8's (initially Chevrolet, but later cars used Ford units). When the big block 7 liter was made available in the Grifo (identifyable by the large bulge in the bonnet) the so called Can Am Grifo claimed a near Daytona rivalling 171mph top speed. The suspension set up of the Grifo while not quite having the race inspired setup if the Daytona does use a De Dion rear end (like the Aston). Interestingly unlike the other rivals here the Grifo does have some competition pedigree with early versions competing against the likes of the 250GTO.


From Blogger Pictures


Despite this I would assume the use of what might be percieved as crude American power units did not inspire buyers when new as despite the long production run only approximately 400 Grifos were sold (around 90 with the big block units).

The next car considered here clearly did not feature in many buyers choice lists as very few were actually made, it is the almost mythical Monteverdi. Like Lamborghini, Monteverdi car production was borne out of a arguement with Enzo Ferrari. Peter Monteverdi was the Swiss importer for Ferrari, and when he refused to pay up front for a consignment of 100 cars set about producing his own cars to rival the cars from Maranello. As one would assume as a Ferrari salesman Monteverdi would know what buyers wanted I must assume his cars were designed to meet those needs.


From 365daytonafan

The First cars designed by Frua appeared in 1968 and the initial 375S bears a strong resembleance to the Maserati Ghibli. (as the Ghibli's predessor the Mistral was also designed by Frua one could speculate that the design was a proposal for the Ghibli thas was rejected by Maserati). Later cars were bodied by Fissore. (the Fissore 375s looks similar to a Ferrari 365 GT "Queen Mary"). I have only ever seen one Monterverdi, a Fissore bodied 2+2 375L (pictured above) but from photographs I personally prefer the Frua design. Engine wise like Iso, Monteverdi turned to American V8 power, this time from Chrysler, the majority of cars having the 440cu in Magnum V8 and possibly a handful the 426cu in "Hemi". Like the Iso and Aston the Monteverdi's used a De Dion re suspension setup and all reports seem to indicate that the Chassis had remarkably stiff contsruction. I guess this means the Monteverdis are again more touring orientated than the Daytona.

Price wise a 375 cost similar money to a Daytona, if you could actually buy one. No offical production numbers are available but somewhere between 50-200 cars for all Monteverdi's (including the 4 door 375/4 and the mid engined Hai) seems to be the concensus.

Frua was also responsible for the styling of one other potenial Daytona rival the AC428. This is another car which uses American V8 power, but this time the car is British rather than Italian (I know Monteverdi is a swiss company but the cars where designed and built in Italy). the 428 uses a stretched chassis from the AC Cobra Mk3 (the 427), with it's race inspired suspension setup one would assume it could match the Daytona but the 428 V8 is a much more relaxed power unit than the 427 uses in the Cobra and again this is clearly a touring orientated car. The high production costs of buying in engines from America and bodies from Italy meant the 428 was expensive and not a great sales success with 81 being made.

So if I was a new buyer and wanted an alternative to the Daytona in my Garage which would I have choosen?
First to go would be the Aston it would not have had the performance or the looks to excite me.

After this the AC is next to fall (no I'm not anti British cars just the way this is) I don't particularly like the styling which looks dated next to the other cars here.

Next and probably surprisingly the Miura, they are one of the most beautiful cars ever made (especially in final SV form with the wider rear track) but the driving position is too compromised for e and that would reduce it to being a garage ornament rather than a car, shame.

On paper the Ghibli is the closest match to the Daytona but I suspect that I would always have the feeling that I was driving something not quite as good (if anyone wants to let me drive theirs to rebut that assumption I would love the opportunity). I would also probably choose the Ghibli Spyder over the Daytona Spyder as the touring orientation would probably suit the open Ghibli more (and briefly returning to 2009 you could buy a Ghibli Spyder and a Daytona Berlinetta for the price of a genuine Daytona Spyder).

While criticised when new (and probably value wise today) for using American V8's, for that very reason the Monteverdi and the Iso offer something different to the Daytona. In 2009 The idea of buying a restoratation project Grifo and fitting a modern LS3 V8 from the latest Corvette and upgrading the brakes and suspension etc to a make a car that could be driven regularly and reliably has a lot of appeal.

Back in the late sixities early seventies however if I had been the jet set playboy that writers assume drove these cars when new, and if I could not of had a Daytona then the idea of wafting across Europe in a Frua bodied Monteverdi perhaps fitted with a Hemi engine, and a Brigitte Bardot lookalike in the pasenger seat would have massive appeal to me.

But the Daytona was available and when you look at all the cars here you realise that it was the fastest, best looking (equally with the Miura), the best engine (unlike the triple chokes in the Miura the twin choke carbs don't spit fuel onto the exhausts causing the car to catch fire) and possibly best driving car here. It also has a cast iron pedigree, from the most famous brand in motorsport. That is why for me it is the greatest Gran Turismo of it's time and possibly ever made.



From foc concours